{"id":970,"date":"2008-03-23T22:42:22","date_gmt":"2008-03-24T02:42:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.benzilla.com\/?p=970"},"modified":"2008-03-24T07:30:05","modified_gmt":"2008-03-24T11:30:05","slug":"comics-terminology-alternative-indie-etc","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.benzilla.com\/?p=970","title":{"rendered":"Comics Terminology: &#8220;Alternative,&#8221; &#8220;Indie,&#8221; etc."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This question was posted over at the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thecomicforums.com\/forum2\/\/index.php?showtopic=128926&amp;st=0&amp;gopid=798371&amp;#entry798371\" target=\"_blank\">Indie Spinner Rack message board<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>What&#8217;s the definition (if any) of the various terms such as Independent, Small Press, Alternative, etc. What do you call companies in Previews outside of the Big Four (DC\/Marvel\/Dark Horse\/Image)? Outside of the Established (Fantagraphics, Top Shelf, Drawn &amp; Quarterly, Oni, AdHouse, etc)? What about those creators going through Ka-Blam and ComixPress? Where do mini-comics fit in?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Here&#8217;re my thoughts on the matter, which I posted there:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ve always found terms like &#8220;independent,&#8221; &#8220;mainstream,&#8221; &#8220;alternative,&#8221; etc. to be problematic because in using them, one is attempting to describe two different things at the same time&#8211;things which may or may not bear any real relation to one another. Specifically, when these terms are used, folks are often trying to describe (1) the narrative content of a comic, and (2) the publishing model of a publisher. When someone says something is an &#8220;independent comic&#8221; (or whatever) what they&#8217;re usually trying to put forth is that that comics subject matter is not something like superhero stories. But they&#8217;re also trying to describe how that comic is published&#8211;what its circulation is perhaps, or whether the creators own the stories and characters.<\/p>\n<p>The problem is that these really don&#8217;t necessarily relate to one another. Is &#8220;Jack Staff&#8221; an &#8220;alternative&#8221; book? It&#8217;s creator-owned&#8230; but it&#8217;s a superhero book. Is &#8220;Swamp Thing&#8221; a &#8220;mainstream&#8221; book? It&#8217;s published by DC, but it&#8217;s not superheroes. Etc&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve always found it more useful in getting across what you mean to simply take them each individually.<\/p>\n<p>Regarding a book&#8217;s content, why don&#8217;t we comics folk (like regular old prose book people) simply refer to it by genre? Is it a crime book? A fantasy book? Non fiction? Character Drama? Historical fiction? Autobiography?<\/p>\n<p>Likewise, if what you want to do is describe the publisher, then do <em>that<\/em>. Is the publisher a corporate publisher who does work-for-hire stuff like Marvel or DC? Is it a publisher who does more cooperative creator-owned stuff like Adhouse or SLG or Fanta? Is it something in between like Image?<\/p>\n<p>The only time this stuff gets contentious it seems to me is when you try to use one term to describe these two different things.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This question was posted over at the Indie Spinner Rack message board: What&#8217;s the definition (if any) of the various terms such as Independent, Small Press, Alternative, etc. What do you call companies in Previews outside of the Big Four (DC\/Marvel\/Dark Horse\/Image)? 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